She was apparently a VIP…. Used 2018 Genesis G80 3.8 $36,940 $685 Mo. Seemed to like it. Edit: she was even considering a lux’d up crew cab, briefly. Hard to say. Both were $29,998, with an original MSRP of $54k, and both had around 22k on the clock I opted to have the navy car shipped to my local CarMax for $149, and I was pleased with my decision. I’ve had a positive experience with CarMax in the past. I wanted to ensure that my car would have the following features (yay, another list): I know, I know on that last one. Search Any Vehicle History using our Free VIN Check and Free Vehicle History. great Value. seniors automatically go to the head of the line in korea. After all, the reason we do all of that silly negotiating and backslashinforth in the first place is because we want to save money, not because we particularly enjoy it. Brother Jack has had a EcoBoost MKT for a couple of years, and it’s a delightful highway cruiser. Price: $21,377. After some internal deliberation, I decided on the 3.8 HTRAC with Premium and Ultimate package. They are the same on buying as selling, they give you a price and it is what it is. No delivery fee charged. CarMax had about 80 G80s in stock nationwide, and only 8 had the 3.8 HTRAC with Premium and Ultimate, and most of those were fairly high mileage. Worried that your car will break? * Mileage 22,017 Miles; Transmission Auto ; Body Style Sedan ; Interior Color Beige ; Exterior Color Black ; Certified Used Car Center (251) 999-7361 Daphne, AL (2 mi) View … Okay, yes. 2018 Genesis G80 with 6,831 miles for $32,998. No worries—they’ll find it for you. Premium Package, Leather Seats, Parking Sensors, Rear View Camera, Navigation System, Front Seat Heaters, Leather Seats, Rear View Camera, Navigation System, Front Seat Heaters, Satellite Radio Ready, Auxiliary Audio Input, Premium Package, 4WD/AWD, Leather Seats, Parking Sensors, Rear View Camera, Navigation System, Head Up Display, Turbo Charged Engine, Leather Seats, Rear View Camera, Navigation System, Front Seat Heaters. It does have a heated steering wheel, and it is hot. The back seat is perfect for storing dirty clothes, saxophones, and more dirty clothes. Our short list is down to the Continental, MKS, G80 and the Acura TLX. Come down to the USA when all this is over and let’s drive at Mid-Ohio. Comes with being family . Come at me when your G35 has 152,000 miles—nah, jk by then it will be in a BHPH lot with a sparkle paint job, cut springs, and 24s JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER G35, Bro, that is savage. It’s an attractive sedan that ends up looking larger than it is. Did you consult with Jack on Make and Model. 252 horsepower. The psychology of car buying is one that has yet to be fully explored by researchers, yet it is entirely fascinating and deserving of a study. It’s the customers who get absolutely cracked who write great Google reviews and refer all of their friends from church. Not even close. Ultimately, I ended up purchasing new, using AZ Plan pricing stacked with dealer markdown on a 2020 exactly to my desired spec (no boy racer spoiler thankyouverymuch). I also bought a 2008 Mercury Milan a couple of months from my brother to put my highway miles on, and it’s been a pretty solid car thus far—it burns oil and has a pesky, undefinable CEL, but otherwise it’s perfect. Description: Used 2018 Genesis G80 with Unspecified, Navigation System, Keyless Entry, Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Blind Spot Monitor, 18 Inch Wheels, Alloy Wheels, Heated Mirrors, Satellite Radio, and Seat Memory 2017 Genesis G80 Ultimate 38 Photos I’m not sure about that, Volvo resale value and current conditions…. The Genesis G80 was introduced as an all-new luxury sedan for the 2017 model year, offering a spacious interior and a smooth ride. I got the V8 version because I wanted something faster than the 3.8L and it’s my only vehicle so I don’t have an Accord race car or Focus RS to scratch any speed itch. I’m sure the car is enjoying a nice life in a BMW service bay somewhere. You are not wrong. Actually have a question into Jack on this! It took a while to find its replacement but CARMAX did come through and she’s been very happy with the car. Good times! However, CarMax stepped up and did the right thing. The one that you’ve said towers over you like Drago. She didn’t want to hear about any other make and model so her new ES had to be Pearl White with tan interior, a CD player, and seat memory. See good deals, great deals and more on Used Genesis G80 in Orange Park, FL. Genesis continues to make the G80 luxury sedan, with its 2018 model year boasting such features as a standard 3.8L V6 engine at 311 hp, keyless entry/ignition, smartphone integration, and an eight-inch touchscreen interface. I bought my 2012 Kona Blue Boss 302 from CarMax, and I’ll never sell it… great buying experience, too. Description: Used 2012 Hyundai Genesis with RWD, DVD, Keyless Entry, and Side Airbags. I don’t love black interiors, but I was reminded of what my children had done to the tan interior of my Flex for the last eight years and begrudgingly admitted that it was probably for the best. MKTs didn’t sell in very high retail volume. Have a very similar list of cars on the shopping list for my wife’s next ride to replace her ’12 Camry SE: C or E class Merc When I was in the market, I took a couple of test drives, but ended up buying from a “traditional” dealer (was looking for a CRV for Mrs. Honestly just starting, but it’s been 10 years since we last bought a new car. The TPMS had failed. View the latest cars including new Hyundai Vehicles, download a brochure, find your dealer and book a test drive & Offers. I was laughing about the Most Unhappy Customers ending up with the best deals, and the “cracked customer” telling all their friends. I promised to return when the issues were resolved. Bark, congratulations on your “new car” seen your previously published adice on purchasing a car. * Used 2018 Genesis G80 3.8. Nice ride. Being a luxury car for the price I paid was excellent . Or do they? 2017 Genesis G80 Premium. * Mileage 21,205 Miles; Transmission Auto ; Body Style Sedan ; Interior Color White ; Exterior Color Gray ; King Hyundai of Deerfield Beach (844) 467-9838 Deerfield Beach, FL (22 mi) View … Oh man! good Value. Man I wish lol. Customers no longer go to these sites organically—they perform a google search for something like “Used Luxury Car under $35,000 near me) and then they go on a wild goose chase to find the car that they want. great Value. I even got 8% more than CarMax’s offer for my ’15 70k+mile trade-in. Find your perfect car with Edmunds expert reviews, car comparisons, and pricing tools. That’s a nice ride. So that led me to the Genesis G80. Est. Everything on the car was functioning well and it handles and feels solid. My issues are that the steering wheel is not heated (they are now), rear seats do not fold down, and the rearview backup camera system does not have the bird’s eye view that my wife’s 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe does. Anyone have experience selling a car to them? They were perfect for California’s idiotic metered freeway entrance ramps, as hitting seventy from a rest in a few hundred feet was like falling off a log. Collectively, they were annoying. Cost to Maintain: This is also slightly higher due to the fact that it is a luxury vehicle. As an owner of a 2008 MKZ – I can attest to the water pump on the 3.5L. Description: Used 2018 Genesis G80 Sport with RWD, Navigation System, Heated Seats, Blind Spot Monitor, 19 Inch Wheels, Alloy Wheels, Paddle Shifter, Parking Sensors, Cooled Seats, Lane Departure Warning, and Seat Memory. I’ll have to think about it. Also, you can drive it for 45,000 miles and not really ever change the oil! But like you said, there’s always the FoRS for when I feel the need for speed, yo. My experience resembled yours, and I’ve generally felt the worst case scenario at CarMax for unsophisticated purchasers is an OK price on a vehicle that won’t explode in 40 miles. Had a friend who wanted to buy a used vehicle. Does it have a heated steering wheel? I could prophylactically fix it, sure, but the value of the car was less than the price of doing the water pump. Congrats on the new ride. 31K mi, $28,998*
My ’05 6MT G35 is a pretty solid car @ 72K miles. Description: Used 2017 Genesis G80 3.8L AWD for sale - $21,500 - 35,928 miles with Leather Seats, Sunroof/Moonroof, Navigation System, Adaptive Cruise Control, Alloy Wheels, Blind Spot Monitoring, Parking Sensors, Premium Package, Heated Seats, Ultimate Package, Android Auto, CarPlay, Multi Zone Climate Control, LE Package, Bluetooth, Backup Camera, Remote Start, Comfort Package, Convenience … $354/mo est. I think it was fixed for 2019. Fuel Economy: Being a much larger car than my previous car and the engine is only 0.2 liters larger it consumes much more gas in the city and slightly higher on the highway. Save up to $10,267 on one of 937 used Genesis G80s near you. The damage was cosmetic and had been repaired, but it was a ugly blemish on the CarFax. Car Buying is a weird business for all involved. If you put your email address in here, you will be relentlessly harassed by our blog every time there's a new entry. I hated to admit it, especially after having given the advice to literally hundreds of readers in the past that buying a rental is no big deal. Sure. Research, compare and save listings, or contact sellers directly from 13 2017 G80 models in Houston. None were even close to the $29,998 price of my car. And not BMW or Audi. And with the Kung Flu pandemic hitting these shores in 2020, rental cars have seen very little use in comparison to rentals of the past. I bet you’ll be able to get into a brand new example for the same or less money. Hyundai Certified Pre-Owned. He was a friend, so I gave him the friend price of the vehicle. It took me only 15 minutes or so to know that this was the car for me. Located in Glen Allen, VA. CarMax Curbside is now available at select stores. And after 14 days, I received a call that the car had arrived, and I hurriedly went to my local CarMax to check it out. Luckily, they were willing to fix them at no charge, and the paint work was perfect. Likely got wholesale for it but the car was out of my life with no hassle. Based on your recommendation we’ll be considering the G80 and CarMax. Est. This is why CarMax is so incredibly successful. Driven an estimated 12,409 … This was far less stressful than in-person haranguing. Say, $10k is off list price to start on a top trim Explorer that is a 2020MY sitting on a dealer lot. So to find the right color and feature combo was a rough one. Although the difference in the listed features was slight, the 2017 G80 was light years ahead of its predecessor in terms of refinement. * Mileage 25,299 Miles; Transmission Auto ; Body Style … When the paint was fixed, I received my call that I could come pick up my new (to me) luxury sedan. Hey Bark, my wife loves the Lexus RX 350 (she drove my son’s Lexus) but her main concern is finding a QUIET car (she is 64 years old and going deaf). You and I have different ideas of “pretty solid” and perfect. Most of the massive discounts that are being offered are being offered in the form of direct to dealer rebates—in other words, it’s the OEM that’s eating the discount, not the dealer. 3. I wanted the car, they wanted to sell it to me, and that was that. It gives you a better idea of what the dealer is really pricing the new car at, if they are playing games with the trade in. The 17-speaker Lexicon stereo, while not ideal for thumping out hip-hop beats, makes listening to classical music or jazz a truly sublime experience—second in quality only to the ELS systems found in new Acuras. Est. But I had a pretty specific set of requirements for my Flex replacement, and unfortunately, $36k wasn’t gonna cut it if I was going to look for all of those features in a brand-new car. $13,510 CARFAX Value. I like your list. To sell it privately I would have had to buy the car out of lease first to get title and then wait and hope it sold fast and deal with Craigslist people. The six second zero-to-sixty time of the 3.8 HTRAC was more than quick enough in comparison to the Ford Flex I’d had for eight years, and it was more important for me to get those extra MPG. Thanks for the update Bark. He walked on the good deal, and paid full pop the second time around. Yossarian, fully understand if the woman in question had been a senior, but she was in her late 20s early 30s, dressed to the tens and once she checked in one of the gate agents took her carry on bags and followed her to the escalators that go down to the tram that takes passangers to the gates at Dulles. Talk about a car that’s difficult to find in the right color, trim, and package! Chrysler 300… or Challenger? Remember only 10 years ago GM was slathering the Chevy name on Korean Daewoos worldwide not because a Korean brand name had any cache anywhere even after selling worldwide for several years. So should you buy a car from CarMax? I searched long and wide to find a 2017 G80 with similar mileage and options. The G80’s styling is sleek and elegant, with the large, winged Genesis logo displayed prominently both front and rear. I used to drive a 2012 A6 3.0T and a similar A7 that followed it. What did you think of the G20? Est. 1 20 Photos. The G80 simply glides over imperfections in the pavement as though they didn’t exist. Not a frequent commenter but long time reader, nice to see you back. I had been considering the MKS for quite some time—-as in literally years. Financing transparency? After all, they are better maintained than almost any car on the road—they’re inspected every two or three days. Or, if they’re like me, they realize that Carvana and CarMax have already done the work of aggregating all of that inventory on their own sites, and you can just search for the car you want a hell of a lot more easily that way. Bark, I did peruse CarMax for 2019-2020 Mustang GTs in October, Magneride being a non-negotiable option for me. Nobody ever asked “what payment are you comfortable with” or “how much can you put down today” or “what will it take to earn your business” or “I need to go ask my manager.”. Used 2017 Genesis G80 3.8. Purely out of curiosity, any reason the GS350 didn’t make the list? Those of you who have been somewhat loyal Bark readers over the last eight years know that I always, and I do mean always purchase new. On that car, there are a lot of powertrain components that are under serious stress…like all the time. But there’s a resonant vibration around the gauge cluster caused by the single-mass flywheel I put in. After all, if it arrived and I didn’t want it, no big deal—I’d be out $149, but at least I found exactly the color, trim, and package that I wanted. I got another $4000 dealer discount on top of that. View Details. I bet you have mad positive equity. I’m not making the same mistake with this guy again. I had my own financing arranged through my bank, but CarMax was able to beat my arranged rate, and presented multiple options to me depending on how much money I wanted to put down. See hi-res pictures, prices and vehicle info at Auto.com to find your perfect car. Seems I remember he wrote about how the Genesis models are made for the upper crust of South Korean society. Easy peasy. Description: Used 2018 Genesis G80 Sport with Unspecified, Remote Start, Navigation System, Fog Lights, Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bucket Seats, Blind Spot Monitor, Alloy Wheels, Cooled Seats, and Lane Departure Warning. Explore a group of praiseworthy used cars, trucks, and SUVs you may have missed. It was nice until I turned on the climate control and we found out that Tobacco Road had been driven every day in that car. The MKT just felt comfortable—after all, it’s a Ford Flex in Lincoln clothing. •
Your email address will not be published. Search from 43 Used Genesis G80 cars for sale, including a 2017 Genesis G80 3.8, a 2017 Genesis G80 3.8 w/ Option Group 02, and a 2018 Genesis G80 3.8 ranging in price from $23,500 to $40,248. Shop, watch video walkarounds and compare prices on Used Genesis G80 listings. 2017 Hyundai Elantra SE. It’s a well known fact in the car biz that the customers who get the best deals walk away the angriest. You’re correct about the warranty—only 5 years and 60,000 miles of the powertrain transfer. Also surprisingly, the Lincoln MKT and Genesis G80 leapt to the top of almost any comparison that I could come up with. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The Hyundai Genesis was the automaker's first attempt at a luxury sedan, which was released in 2009. At the same time I leased a new Volvo S60 in 2019 and the discounts were fantastic at that time. This list of the 60 best cars for the money for 2020 shoppers (based on CarMax sales and pricing data from November 1, 2019, to April 30, 2020) is a great place to start. Description: Used 2018 Genesis G80 Premium with RWD, Technology Package, Premium Package, Luxury Package, Driver Assistance Package, Towing Package, Convenience Package, Appearance Package, Driver Confidence Package, Cold Weather Package, and Power Package. Last year my then 21 year old daughter got her first non-beater from Car Max; a 2014 Subaru Forester. PS: noticed Cadillac was missing from your list, the CT-6 is an outstanding model even if shortsighted Mary killed it off this year. In fact, Hyundai saw so much success with the Genesis model that it … A follow-up article, once you’ve had more time with the car, would be great to read. But if I could avoid buying a car that dozens of tourist asses had ripped Rally’s farts in, it would be ideal. When it comes to the CarMax extended warranty, did Demuro kill that for everyone or is there still value in it? Very transparent and easy. To say I was pissed would have been the understatement of the year—and keep in mind, we’re talking about 2020 here. Also got it. And it looks like the Genesis brand won't stop at luxury sedans; it has been announced that they'll be branching off into the luxury SUV category in 2020 and beyond. The parking sensor cover on the driver’s side had fallen off. The warranties are pretty bulletproof, too—just ask Doug Demuro! I still gotta figure if it’s worth buying out at lease end or is there better for my $25k.45k lease and I am at 12k miles halfway through…didn’t see 2020 coming. Used 2017 Genesis G80 for Sale on carmax.com. It didn’t cost unconscionably more than 2019 models at CarMax. Could I have negotiated down to that price with some other dealer? Browse cars for sale, shop the best deals near you, find current loan rates and read FAQs about financing and warranties at Cars.com. I begrudgingly called back my “friend.” Same process. Thanks Bark! However, I did find two 2017 models that were acceptable. $36,940 $685 Mo. That’d certainly give us the durability and smooth ride (with a coil sprung Ram in particular which we test drove and both liked), but hardly scratches the sporty/unique itch (forgot to mention, she nixed the Challenger because she thinks they’re too common on our roads). In 2017, Genesis became its own brand, and the vehicle itself was renamed the G80. CarMax Mobile - Now offering Curbside Pickup (251) 517-4483 Mobile, AL (15 mi) View Details. I felt like I needed to go with her to the Car Max to drive and then hopefully purchase her “new” car and trade off the POS she was in at that time, just to make sure she didn’t get swallowed whole by a predatory F&I Guy. I love these articles with the lists and the decision trees. Please don’t tell my four Toyota clients that. She’d love to have a sporty (looking) coupe with a nice interior (read: leather, woodgrain, heated seats and steering) for her next car, our constraint is finding something that can shrug off a pothole or two. And if you have ever flown Korean Air you may have noticed that the upper crust of Korean society can be a pretty demanding lot (watched a Koran lady push Helen out of the way at at airline ticket counter at Dulles and the gate agent appologized for Helen being in the lady’s way). If you know my personal history (worked for Autotrader for four years, Cars.com affiliate for three years), you know I’m not a huge fan of any of the third-party aggregator sites. No Accident or Damage Reported. Save up to $3,859 on one of 144 used Genesis G80s in Nashville, TN. CARFAX 1-Owner. Refused to buy the damn thing at any price; looking back he wouldn’t have driven that vehicle off for free. I don’t know if their profit has already disappeared and it’s trying to wring more than can be had or if the manufacture is making up the difference somewhere. 2. It still easily handles well enough to terrify my passengers. As I told you in a follow-up email after my hot hatches question was answered by you, I bought a 2018 Focus ST that spent one year as a rental. I don’t personally mind buying a rental. With the annual mileage you drive, how much warranty did you buy? Est. I got the gas T6 model and sports suspension both of which have been removed in favor of simplifying the lineup with hybrids. Anyway Happy Motoring. No accident or damage reported to CARFAX. •
I am not a Toyota fan, in general. CarMax Independence, MO, $23,998*
There had been a constant whirring sound coming from the dash for several years. Everybody pays the same price. I was a shitty salesman, but I kept myself fed and my liver abused for a month off that one sale. The use of that is it allowed me to trade in my WRX at another dealer and know what the “real” price of my trade was. New Listing. Got it. Pricing transparency? I started looking for pre-owned luxury cars that met all or most of my criteria. I would think a lot. CarMax Wichita, KS, $35,998*
There are guys on the Genesis forums who have been spending literally years trying to fix this issue—including re-coding the head units themselves—and it’s just a no go. I did sort of consider an RC coupe but a) she thinks they’re ugly and b) I’m not sure they’re any better than the euros at the pothole thing. No Accident or Damage Reported. Search from 11 Used Genesis G80 cars for sale, including a 2017 Genesis G80 5.0 Ultimate, a 2018 Genesis G80 3.3T Sport, and a 2018 Genesis G80 3.8 w/ Option Group 03 ranging in price from $26,988 to $38,700. I would have had to have paid at least $6-8k more for the 5.0, and I just didn’t think it was worth it for me. }); I'm Jack Baruth. When I say that, I mean that they are completely uninformed about the entire process, starting with the selection of the car, whether to buy new or used, how to negotiate, whether or not to get an extended warranty, etc. This price does not include tax, title, and tags. So, yes, CarMax is successful, but if you are one of the few automotive consumers who really does know what he’s doing, dealing with them comes at a somewhat terrible price—namely, you’ll likely pay too much for your car. More standard features than Audi, MB, Infiniti at much lower price. Here’s what I came up with (one more list for y’all): Surprisingly, I never seriously considered a BMW 5 Series of any type, which I think speaks volumes about how far the brand has fallen. Meanwhile, a compact Genesis SUV known as the GV70 is expected to be released in 2021. Congrats on the acquisition! Why wasn’t CarPlay available with the Ultimate package? Lots of power, lots of options. My brother disposed of a maxed-out, high-mileage F150 Super Crew at CarMax and I think he did pretty well. This is our blog. Price isn’t as important as having a quiet interior (checked the decibel ratings online, but the chart is rather dated). Description: Used 2018 Genesis G80 with RWD, Navigation System, Keyless Entry, Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Blind Spot Monitor, 18 Inch Wheels, Alloy Wheels, Heated Mirrors, Satellite Radio, and Seat Memory 2018 Genesis G80 56 Photos Find your perfect car with Edmunds expert reviews, car comparisons, and pricing tools. Since its release, this full-size sedan has come standard with such features as leather upholstery, automatic dual-zone climate control, smartphone integration, and a large eight-inch touchscreen display. The seatbelt on the passenger side in the middle row only retracted sometimes. Used 2018 Genesis G80 3.8. It doesn’t burn oil. Used 2017 Genesis G80 3.8 Good Deal $29,791 $553 Mo. It was delivered with a giant red bow on top. Time is worth money, particularly when they gave me a trade in offer on a reasonably popular trade in local dealer laughed at because CarMax threw it on a trailer and hauled it to the coast for a profit unavailable to me without substantial effort. CarMax makes a big deal of making sure that the entire process is completely transparent—everything that is on the salesperson’s monitor is also on a monitor that the customer can see. While I think she liked having me there, there was no need for my oversight. There’s a pretty significant 5.0 penalty when shopping pre-owned—and there’s even more of one for the 3.3T Sport, which I find ugly as sin. 22 Photos. It heavily inspired the V6 twist-beam 5/6MT Maximas. Thanks Bark. We caught it early enough; but are now in the market. $1,015 below. One month later, another sample of the same model arrives in recon. And I think a swaybar end link is clunking. As an example, if I was to buy a ’17 Focus RS, is the warranty a buy? I also don’t like that as I back down the driveway, checking on the display for oncoming traffic which appears near the top of the screen, the sytem decides to send me messages such as A/V system if off, etc. The interior of yours also looks world’s better. I’ll admit it. Genesis continues to make the G80 luxury sedan, with its 2018 model year boasting such features as a standard 3.8L V6 engine at 311 hp, keyless entry/ignition, smartphone integration, and an eight-inch touchscreen interface. Unless otherwise noted, information relating to these featured vehicles comes from third-party sources, including manufacturer information. google_ad_client: "ca-pub-2856021546132619", CarMax had about 80 G80s in stock nationwide, and only 8 had the 3.8 HTRAC with Premium and Ultimate, and most of those were fairly high mileage. Cute black Forester she promptly named Gump. Enjoyed your insights. That’s where your general advice to buy new proved true (which influenced me, thanks). That’s where relenting and including sedans opens up a lot of options, although the Germans generally fall short on suspension and wheel/tire resilience in my mind, short of a E300 Merc with the “Luxury” trim with cushier suspension and fatter tires. However, they’re almost always rental cars. All-Wheel drive, for the ten days a year that it snows in Kentucky, leather seating, lumbar support, heated and cooled seats, modern safety feature suite (a la Honda Sensing), Assorted other dumb ideas (Volvo, Jaguar, etc. See good deals, great deals and more on a Used Genesis G80 in Durham, NC. There was no F&I box for me to sit in—all of the financing and warranty options were presented to me by my salesperson. Ahh ok got it. Most Ford dealers’ sites have downloadable window stickers for new & used. Maybe next time. Research, compare and save listings, or contact sellers directly from 1 2020 G80 models in Houston. Can’t tell from the reviews. 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